Friday, March 12, 2010

JW: Getting inside the JW view of resurrection

After several weeks of not meeting, due to the Mormon guys being stuck at a meeting in Halifax, and one of the JW missionaries getting the Norwalk virus, I finally met with both again this past Tuesday.

In this entry, I will focus on one particular aspect of the JW mindset that I've been grappling with. And by grappling, I mean something like "trying to understand from the inside". This is my default mode of trying to understand anything, trying to see if from the inside – in anthropological terms, to come to the most emic account possible of a worldview. For me, the etic account it forced, but I inherently seek the emic one. The benefits of my default approach are many: it promotes empathy and allows closer relationships with others. The risks are that I may lose too much of my own identity, and that I lose the benefit I would otherwise have as an objective observer.

The JW's believe that, in the afterlife, everyone will be resurrected to an earthly paradise. All of the things that make Earth bad, such as disease, natural disasters, crime, and so on, will be destroyed, and the New Earth will be a cleansed version of the current one.

I think the JW doctrine I have most often heard (and heard misrepresented) is that the New Earth is to be ruled by 144,000 "anointed" followers of Christ, who will be with Christ in Heaven. I have yet to investigate just how the "anointed" are chosen, how they are known on Earth right now, etc. However, I can say that it is clear to me that they do not believe that only 144,000 humans will be saved. Also, their doctrine makes a bit more sense if you interpret, as the JW's do, Biblical references to the Kingdom of God or Kingdom of Heaven as references to a government God wishes to institute over the Earth. It is questionable exegesis, and requires a more figurative interpretation of passages such as Luke 11:14-20. But then "Kingdom of God" is a figurative term to start with.

The Greek is not helpful either. βασιλεια, the Greek word for Kingdom used in the phrase "Kingdom of God" and elsewhere, was most commonly used in the same sense as the English word Kingdom, to mean a dominion. However, sources contemporary to the writing of the New Testament also used the term to mean a reign, or a governmental office.

I personally believe it makes more sense to take the terms "Kingdom of God" or "Kingdom of Heaven" to mean God's dominion, rather than a governing body He will appoint, but as B— once pointed out the JW's have taken their equation of "kingdom" and "government" and incorporated into a self-consistent system of belief and hermeneutics, which is more than I've accomplished for myself so far.

Returning to the main topic, the argument for a restoration of the current Earth, as presented to me by the JWs, is as follows:

1. God created Earth, animals, plants, etc (Genesis 1:1-25).
2. When God created Earth, it was good (Genesis 1:4,10,12,18,21,25,31).
3. God created humans and told them to live on the Earth, and said that was good (Genesis 1:26-31).
4. The above, combined with a handful of additional verses, demonstrate that God meant for the humans to live in Paradise on Earth (e.g. Psalm 37:29).
5. God always achieves His purposes (e.g. Isaiah 46:9-11, Isaiah 55:11).
6. Therefore, in this case, God must in the end achieve His purpose of having all the humans live in a Paradise on Earth.

(The above essentially summarizes the first section of Chapter 3 in the JW book What Does the Bible Really Teach?)

This bothers me because I have been hoping for a unity with God in heaven that I cannot even imagine right now, and certainly not one contained within the normal workings of our physical universe.

There could be many counterarguments to the above JW claims (the abuse of scripture, or so it appears to me, is disturbing), and you can find them easily enough at sites like this. But my goal here has been to try to see their worldview from within, and to understand why they find their concept of Heaven not only tolerable, but preferable.

From the way they talk about it (I've got them being far more sincere than when I first talked with them), JWs really do feel their idea of Heaven is better. And I'm starting to understand some of the reasons why they like it.

First, and most substantially, JWs believe that (just about) everyone gets to live forever. We all die (they don't believe in an immortal soul, so all of us dies), God remembers us, and from His memory God re-creates us on the Paradise Earth, with the same mental state as when we died. That means that if your Mother wasn't a believer, and has passed away, you have comfort. She will be resurrected, and into a perfectly governed world where she can learn to be a perfect person.

When I heard this from one of the JW's, I first connected with why they love their afterlife so much. To me, this sounds nice, and I want to believe that something like it is true – that this life isn't the only test, and that there's a more "fair" one later. Not for my sake, because I can tell that I'm free to choose almost everything I do, and for me the test seems as fair as I could ask for. But people I love who have died, I don't want them to be condemned to some kind of torment based on their actions in a fallen world. The JWs think that it's ridiculous to call a God who condemns people to eternal torment loving. I think that it only makes sense if those people knowingly choose not to be with God. But how are we, who haven't died yet, to know about such things?

The second appeal of the JW's heaven is that it's very concrete. It can be grasped and imagined. We know what Earth is like, and it's not so hard to imagine Earth minus the bad stuff, plus a good government. It's graspable.

I get that to some extent, since I know that people are often comfortable with concepts they can grasp. I've never been much like that myself, so I can't internalize this reason very well, but I do think it makes sense and is powerful. That said, when my heart is pierced upon seeing a beautiful tree, smile or sunbeam, the experience is far more meaningful knowing that it transcends the physical reality, and I find it impossible not to long to know as fully as possible that transcendent beauty. I mean, I think the beauty comes from God, and if experiencing it directly all the time isn't what the afterlife is about, well, the afterlife sounds better than death, but still unbearably disappointing.


I think after all my thoughts on this, my conclusion is that I ought to choose the unimaginably good afterlife over the imaginably good one, lacking substantial evidence to do otherwise, and in this case, I will.  (Yes, I did just casually discount Occam's Razor. Deal with it :) ) So unless something convincing comes along, I personally will anticipate a heaven better than I can imagine. If I set myself up for disappointment, so be it.

13 comments:

  1. So you believe in your heaven instead of the JW heaven because you like yours better? That has nothing to do with Occam's Razor - that's an entirely different fallacy.

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  2. Yes, and I agree.

    What I meant is that I am ignoring Occam's Razor (parsimony), and choosing between two things in the absence of sufficient evidence based instead on which I would prefer to be true. If you've read C. S. Lewis' The Silver Chair, it's like when Puddleglum holds on to a belief in Aslan simply because it that belief is not true, reality really does suck.

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  3. Aargh - I didn't get an email notification of your reply... I'm not sure this Google blog is going to work out.

    Hmm - I guess it's because I didn't click the "subscribe by email" option. I better get notifications of comments on my blog, though...

    I don't understand why you have to make a choice, though. I personally believe in heaven, but in very few specifics about it - I believe there's potential happiness after one dies, but I don't know what it will be like. The problem with the JW heaven isn't that it's necessarily false, but that it's too specific for them to have enough evidence to believe it.

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  4. Yeah, there's some features of blogspot I'm not too enthused with either. If you find something else good, let me know.

    Strictly speaking, I guess you don't have to make a choice. Really, I think mine is a very weak choice (based on preference; not evidence), but all the same it is a useful motivator to believe some specific things about Heaven even if they are not substantiated. Have I become a pragmatist?! Maybe just in areas where I can't know what's true. Now I have to figure out whether that's okay or not...

    I want to argue somehow about the JW heaven being too specific to believe in, but I can't think of any decent arguments so I guess I won't. Sorry :)

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  5. I've been considering going back to Wordpress, actually. It definitely has the best user interface of all the blogs I've tried. My only complaint with it is that it says it sometimes shows ads on your blog, which I'm morally opposed to. However, I've never actually seen any. Maybe it only shows them when blogs get popular?

    What confuses me about your responses why you aren't changing your mind. It seems that you've realized that some of your religious beliefs are only based on what you want to be true, but apparently you still won't abandon them. You've openly agreed to using various fallacies and wishful thinking. If that isn't the definition of when it's appropriate to discard a belief, then what is? What could ever convince you that you're wrong? If someone used that approach toward a scientific claim, they would obviously be ridiculed by scientists. Why do you consider it acceptable when your claims are religious instead of scientific?

    This has repeatedly been a source of frustration for me in arguing with people - even once I've given an argument that they can't think of how to refute, they still never change their mind. They assume that explaining their thought process is always a justification of their belief, no matter what that thought process is.

    I also used to believe in a specific heaven as you do, but when I realized it didn't make sense, I changed my mind. Furthermore, I think it's dangerous not to, because there really is an actual God (or certainly an actual ultimate reality of some sort), and if one insists on retaining the beliefs they happened to acquire as they went about their life, they're in danger of one day answering for these beliefs, and their consequences, to the reality that actually exists.

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  6. Well, it's appropriate to discard a belief when it's demonstrably false. My belief in a specific heaven, and the JW belief in a specific heaven, are not demonstrably false. Regarding parsimony, I also think neither I or the JWs would consider belief in a more complex heaven a needless multiplication of entities.

    I really, for what I think are good reasons, don't think it is my beliefs that I will ultimately be answering for. I think it is my actions upon those beliefs. As you indicate, my actions are influenced by my beliefs. So, shouldn't I believe things that lead to good actions? Of course true beliefs are expected to lead to good actions, but where I am incapable of knowing what is true, aren't I better off having a belief that promotes good action than not having a belief about the matter at all? (I am not saying that promoting good action indicates the truth of a belief. Just that promoting good action is a reason to believe something.) Maybe this is why you are a skeptic and I am not.

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  7. "I really, for what I think are good reasons, don't think it is my beliefs that I will ultimately be answering for."

    In general, no - if something seems true and you believe it, I don't think a good God would judge you for that. But I do think you'll be judged for dishonesty. And a rampant form of dishonesty is insisting on holding on to your own beliefs, even once they've been refuted, because you don't want to change. I'll have no excuse when God tells me that the arguments people tried to show me were really him trying to change my harmful, dogmatic beliefs (even though I couldn't see their harm). I fully expect him to say that to me when I die.

    "So, shouldn't I believe things that lead to good actions?"

    That's right, you shouldn't. It's dishonest, which is a sin. If you feel compelled to do good, then the compelling feeling is enough of an impetus to do it, and you don't need the belief. If you don't feel compelled to do the action, but believe you should anyway because you've defined the action as "good", and the belief is therefore "good" because it leads to the action, then I think the circular reasoning and empty morality in this sentence is obvious.

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  8. "Well, it's appropriate to discard a belief when it's demonstrably false."

    Not quite - although I agree with the validity of a-priori axioms, I think that once you realize that your belief was based on a fallacy, you should revert to agnosticism about it. There's an important difference between believing something because you're compelled to (i.e. an axiom) and believing something you wish it were true (a fallacy).

    Your approach means that you can never discard certain religious beliefs (for example, yours), because they can never be demonstrated to be false. That's an enormous problem.

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  9. But I don't think the belief in a specific heaven is fallacious, and I think it can be demonstrated to be false. Any belief about heaven will be proven or disproven when I die. It could potentially be proven or disproven before that, e.g. on the basis of revelation or scripture.

    Also there are other things that would make me change my belief. Someone could demonstrate to me that the belief I hold is undesirable or doesn't lead to good actions, which would cause me to change it. There are tons of ways that the belief could be discarded. It's just that I don't have the information right now to hold or discard it on the basis of evidence for its truth. Although I believe that evidential reasons should take precedence, there are other valid reasons for holding or discarding belief. You see, it is not that I am holding on to a belief because I don't want to change, but because I have reasons for holding that belief (and if it seems like the reasons amount to "because I want to", then I don't think I've explained them well enough). If the reasons should change, then I will change what I believe.

    Regarding the dishonesty of believing something without evidence, I don't think it is dishonest at all. Dishonesty would be believing something that you know is false. This seems axiomatic to be. I am not trying to misrepresent anything, so how am I being dishonest?

    "If you don't feel compelled to do the action, but believe you should anyway because you've defined the action as 'good', and the belief is therefore 'good' because it leads to the action, then I think the circular reasoning and empty morality in this sentence is obvious."

    I don't think a belief is good because it promotes good actions. Not at all. It could be bad, wrong, etc., for all I know. I think if I don't have another way to determine what to believe, I might as well believe something that promotes good actions over something that promotes bad actions.

    Admittedly, my ability to tell what really does promote good or bad actions is comparable to my ability to tell what is or isn't actually true – that is, questionable at best.

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  10. "Dishonesty would be believing something that you know is false. This seems axiomatic to be. I am not trying to misrepresent anything, so how am I being dishonest?"

    That's external dishonesty. There's also internal dishonesty - telling yourself something is true, when on a deeper level you believe it isn't. I reject your claim that you're able to believe something because it promotes good action. I claim that beings are only capable of belief based on evidence, arguments, or faith (axioms they're compelled to believe). An evolved human traits is the ability to think you believe something because you prefer the world in which it were true. This helps humans survive in groups better, and groups increase the probability of survival. It's wrong to follow our evolutionary traits - we should instead follow reason.

    You still haven't explained how you know what a good action is. You must know it independent of the belief that leads to it, so why do you need the belief?

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  11. But Adam, we're not talking about something I believe isn't true. We're talking about something that I believe may or may not be true. I don't know how to believe something I know is untrue either. It might be impossible. But I can believe something that might be true.

    I don't know with perfect certainty what is a good action. But I think I know some things about what is a good action, based on experience, scripture, reason and conscience. But knowing what is a good action doesn't mean that I will do a good action. That is why I benefit from a belief that supports good action. It is because I am flawed, and would do fewer good things without it.

    I can't believe you haven't gotten fed up with talking about epistemology yet.

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  12. Sorry, I wasn't clear - it's also internally dishonest to tell yourself something is true, while on a deeper level you believe it may or may not be true.

    "It is because I am flawed, and would do fewer good things without it."

    So you're changing your beliefs to try to do good actions in order to fix your flaws, rather than just fixing your flaws. You'd be a better person if you just fixed your flaws themselves; adding extra beliefs as a proxy is morally suboptimal, and therefore wrong.

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  13. So my comment is on a completely different thread from the discussion so far.

    I find the JW's position on a eternal earth very interesting, particularly as many Reformed Christians (such as those at the undergrad school I went to and the author of Heaven its Not the End of the World have a surprisingly similar view. In their mind, there will be an eternal Heaven and eternal Earth, on which the elect will continue life that has many similarities to our life now except being perfect and directly in God's presence rather than "through a glass darkly." As I understood it, they certainly don't feel taht the world will be destroyed by fire, but rather that it would become perfect. Fittingly, they are post-millenialist.

    I'm actually close to that in my own views. I'd say that the earth is at least renewed and transformed, if not completely destroyed and recreated, and that eternity does involve humankind on the earth, doing many normal human things: except in perfection. I expect, for instance, to be doing science in the afterlife. Why not? Certainly studying God's perfect creation is just as much learning of Him as theology!

    Admittedly, however, this is something that I don't feel is necessary to orthodox belief. I think I can back it up, but it's not nearly as important as, say, the deity of Christ.

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